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	<title>Comments on: The #notagile Twitter Stream</title>
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	<description>Elisabeth Hendrickson&#039;s thoughts on Agile, Testing, and Agile Testing.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Levison</title>
		<link>http://testobsessed.com/2009/02/24/the-notagile-twitter-stream/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Levison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you collecting all the #notagile submissions outside of twitter? I think they would make the kernel of some good agile/scrum smells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you collecting all the #notagile submissions outside of twitter? I think they would make the kernel of some good agile/scrum smells.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac Thompson</title>
		<link>http://testobsessed.com/2009/02/24/the-notagile-twitter-stream/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@testobsessed -- if not keeping tests versioned with prod code is #notagile, what do you do with FitNesse tests, which aren&#039;t in subversion?

&lt;em&gt;Elisabeth responds:

Uncle Bob created a video around that very topic: &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/2765514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vimeo.com/2765514&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@testobsessed &#8212; if not keeping tests versioned with prod code is #notagile, what do you do with FitNesse tests, which aren&#8217;t in subversion?</p>
<p><em>Elisabeth responds:</p>
<p>Uncle Bob created a video around that very topic: <a href="http://vimeo.com/2765514" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/2765514</a><br />
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		<title>By: Shrini</title>
		<link>http://testobsessed.com/2009/02/24/the-notagile-twitter-stream/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If agile means all testers on the project &quot;essentially&quot; write code (unit tests) they’re doin’ it wrong. #notagile   Right?

This is somewhat an offshoot of what QualityFrog (Ben Simo) mentioned in his #notagile contribution.

Here is another one

If every occurrence of  word &quot;test&quot; is associated with word &quot;code&quot; (in thinking and practice) they’re doin’ it wrong. #notagile.

Shrini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If agile means all testers on the project &#8220;essentially&#8221; write code (unit tests) they’re doin’ it wrong. #notagile   Right?</p>
<p>This is somewhat an offshoot of what QualityFrog (Ben Simo) mentioned in his #notagile contribution.</p>
<p>Here is another one</p>
<p>If every occurrence of  word &#8220;test&#8221; is associated with word &#8220;code&#8221; (in thinking and practice) they’re doin’ it wrong. #notagile.</p>
<p>Shrini</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Harter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Harter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth,

I&#039;ve never worked in an agile group, but I like to read about it because I have found that I can apply some of the ideas to my current job.  This post helps me in a different kind of way, though.  I wanted to share.

I have found it so difficult to explain to people what &quot;good testing&quot; is, because it is such an abstract thing.  When I start going on my rant about &quot;information service&quot; and &quot;customer orientation&quot; I start to lose people.  Perhaps it would help me to list some of the things that I think &quot;good testing&quot; isn&#039;t.  I could list what &quot;good management&quot;, &quot;good requirements&quot;, &quot;readable defects&quot;, etc. aren&#039;t.   In fact, this sounds like a fun group exercise.  I&#039;ll keep it in mind!  Thanks for the inspiration!

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never worked in an agile group, but I like to read about it because I have found that I can apply some of the ideas to my current job.  This post helps me in a different kind of way, though.  I wanted to share.</p>
<p>I have found it so difficult to explain to people what &#8220;good testing&#8221; is, because it is such an abstract thing.  When I start going on my rant about &#8220;information service&#8221; and &#8220;customer orientation&#8221; I start to lose people.  Perhaps it would help me to list some of the things that I think &#8220;good testing&#8221; isn&#8217;t.  I could list what &#8220;good management&#8221;, &#8220;good requirements&#8221;, &#8220;readable defects&#8221;, etc. aren&#8217;t.   In fact, this sounds like a fun group exercise.  I&#8217;ll keep it in mind!  Thanks for the inspiration!</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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