Comments on: My PNSQC Keynote with Agile Timeline http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/ Elisabeth Hendrickson's thoughts on Agile, Testing, and Agile Testing. Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:42:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: ehendrickson http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-717 ehendrickson Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:32:17 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-717 Actually, by rehearse delivery I mean do everything that will be needed to put the software in production. If it’s a site, push it to a live staging server that’s configured the same as the production server. If it’s an app that will ship on CD, make a golden master with an installer. I’ve seen too many teams, even Agile teams, get hung up at the end of a release. They have great production ready code, but they stumble in the actual delivery of the system because they didn’t practice all the steps involved in taking it live. Actually, by rehearse delivery I mean do everything that will be needed to put the software in production. If it’s a site, push it to a live staging server that’s configured the same as the production server. If it’s an app that will ship on CD, make a golden master with an installer. I’ve seen too many teams, even Agile teams, get hung up at the end of a release. They have great production ready code, but they stumble in the actual delivery of the system because they didn’t practice all the steps involved in taking it live.

]]> By: Franck Depierre http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-716 Franck Depierre Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:34:58 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-716 Brilliant, After your great talk in Grenoble, our conversation about mobile testing, now you offer me a accurate time line that I will blog soon. I just a remark about the adoption life cycle graph (crossing the chasm). At the first glance, I understood the graph was here for agile testing and told myself: Did we cross the chasm yet? Brilliant,

After your great talk in Grenoble, our conversation about mobile testing, now you offer me a accurate time line that I will blog soon.
I just a remark about the adoption life cycle graph (crossing the chasm). At the first glance, I understood the graph was here for agile testing and told myself: Did we cross the chasm yet?

]]> By: Natook http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-715 Natook Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:31:18 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-715 I'm working on my master's thesis in the field of software testing and as an intro I wanted to write something about the evolution of testing. I found your timeline and it's very inspiring but I'm wondering why you started in 2004? The agile manifesto was signed in 2001, did nothing happen between 2001 and 2004? <i><b>Elisabeth replies:</b> Glad you like the timeline! And you're right, it's not complete. Lots happened between 2001 and 2004. But I had last given a talk at PNSQC in 2004 on Agile Testing. So the timeline was never intended to be comprehensive, but was instead a review of significant events since the last time I spoke at that conference on the topic.</i> I’m working on my master’s thesis in the field of software testing and as an intro I wanted to write something about the evolution of testing.
I found your timeline and it’s very inspiring but I’m wondering why you started in 2004? The agile manifesto was signed in 2001, did nothing happen between 2001 and 2004?

Elisabeth replies: Glad you like the timeline! And you’re right, it’s not complete. Lots happened between 2001 and 2004. But I had last given a talk at PNSQC in 2004 on Agile Testing. So the timeline was never intended to be comprehensive, but was instead a review of significant events since the last time I spoke at that conference on the topic.

]]> By: Eveliina Vuolli http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-714 Eveliina Vuolli Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:42:32 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-714 I am glad to notice that you have added “rehearse delivery” to the key testing practices! At least, I have the experience of forgetting this part of the production. Everything might seem so easy "in house"and then the reality strikes back... I am glad to notice that you have added “rehearse delivery” to the key testing practices! At least, I have the experience of forgetting this part of the production. Everything might seem so easy “in house”and then the reality strikes back…

]]> By: Markus Gärtner http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-712 Markus Gärtner Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:11 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-712 I have some extensions regarding Software Craftsmanship. Actually there have been at least two conferences on the topic, I know about: - One in February organized by Jason Gorman - The second parallel to Agile 2009 in Chicago (SCNA) Between the two there has been a large discussion in the movement regarding an own manifesto (http://manifesto.softwarecraftsmanship.org/) and we also agreed on some statements, which could be referred to the Agile principles, but which where not rolled out at all. Doug Bradbury did a very well job there to combine the thoughts of thirteen people into a well-sounding ethics statement. Unfortunately at the moment there is little momentum left currently in the movement, I think. But as Tom Gilb pointed out at the Agile Testing Days: We need more craft! We need more people who actually know what they're doing! Oh, and of course, great write-up there. I have some extensions regarding Software Craftsmanship. Actually there have been at least two conferences on the topic, I know about:
- One in February organized by Jason Gorman
- The second parallel to Agile 2009 in Chicago (SCNA)

Between the two there has been a large discussion in the movement regarding an own manifesto (http://manifesto.softwarecraftsmanship.org/) and we also agreed on some statements, which could be referred to the Agile principles, but which where not rolled out at all. Doug Bradbury did a very well job there to combine the thoughts of thirteen people into a well-sounding ethics statement.

Unfortunately at the moment there is little momentum left currently in the movement, I think. But as Tom Gilb pointed out at the Agile Testing Days: We need more craft! We need more people who actually know what they’re doing!

Oh, and of course, great write-up there.

]]> By: Alex Clay http://testobsessed.com/2009/10/29/my-pnsqc-keynote-with-agile-timeline/#comment-713 Alex Clay Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:46:41 +0000 http://testobsessed.com/?p=227#comment-713 I'm curious about the "rehearse delivery" element of your slideshow. We practice XP and hold iteration demos at the end of each delivery. Is this what you mean by rehearsing delivery, or are you suggesting we run through our presentation before holding the iteration demo (a practice which, in my experience, isn't a bad idea)? Thanks! I’m curious about the “rehearse delivery” element of your slideshow. We practice XP and hold iteration demos at the end of each delivery. Is this what you mean by rehearsing delivery, or are you suggesting we run through our presentation before holding the iteration demo (a practice which, in my experience, isn’t a bad idea)?

Thanks!

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